[env-trinity] Trinity Journal- Constitutional Sheriffs say excessive regu...

[Ken Miller]

My understanding is that coho are endangered throughout their southern range, and that gill nets will only be allowed on the Klamath.
But are you claiming that coho would have escaped the ravages of coastal drainage logging, which all the fish experts I've heard indict as the dominant negative influence on salmonids, especially coho, or that water diversions, estuary diking, ranching and other upstream resource extractions have had a negligible impact compared to Native fishing?


On May 26, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Paul Catanese wrote:

> More ironic is the fact the fish belong to all of the people of the united states of America and we are going to spend countless millions to create more fish so that a select few can gill net 50 pct of the fish allocated to the basin. That seems very ironic to me. 
> This all at a Huge  cost to the American taxpayer both in terms of monetary cost and the usurping of property rights. At some point common sense has been lost. Endangered coho wouldnt be all that endangered if gill nets were removed. This at very little cost to the taxpayer  
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> On May 26, 2012, at 10:12 AM, "Ken Miller" <tamer1 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> Wait Glen, if PC cannot afford to operate the dams without imposing ever-increasing rates on their customers, and if PC cannot come into compliance with the CWA and ESA so long as the dams are in,  why are we making any sort of taxpayer funded deal, and more to the point, why are you supporting said ripoff end-run around our most precious laws? Since you are pointing out ironies, I thought you would enjoy this one.
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>> Ken
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>>>> From: FISH1IFR at aol.com
>>>> Date: May 24, 2012 4:55:30 PM PDT (CA)
>>>> To: tstokely at att.net, env-trinity at velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us
>>>> Subject: Re: [env-trinity] Trinity Journal- Constitutional Sheriffs say excessive regu...
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>>>> In a message dated 5/23/2012 10:37:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tstokely at att.net writes:
>>>> When plans were made to take out four dams on the Klamath River, "they didn’t coordinate properly with us," he said, adding that 70 percent of the people in Siskiyou County say they don’t want the dams removed, "but they aren’t listening."
>>>> In response to a question from the audience, Haney repeated a question Lopey asked of the sheriffs and his own response: "If we have to protect these dams, are you guys willing to stand with me?" and "I said, ‘Yes.’"
>>>>  
>>>> Interesting.... but the Sheriffs omit the fact that these dams do not belong to the County or "the people," but are privately owned. The County thus has no say, and no vote of "the people" to "keep the dams" means anything.   What are they doing to protect the Constitutional right of PacifiCorp to dispose of its own property however it sees fit?
>>>>  
>>>> And they omit the fact that these dams, even if relicensed, are simply no longer cost effective.  In fact, FERC estimated that the dams, once relicensed, would actually generate 27% LESS power than the little bit they do today (82 MW), and then cost the company more than $20 million/year in net LOSSES ... which would have to be passed on to its customers, including most of Siskiyou County! 
>>>>  
>>>> They are, in short, trying to impose Government Socialism on the Company to force it to run its assets at a loss!    How incredibly ironic!  Someone should point this out to them! 
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>>>> Glen H. Spain, Northwest Regional Director
>>>> Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen's Associations (PCFFA)
>>>> PO Box 11170, Eugene, OR 97440-3370
>>>> Office: (541)689-2000 Fax: (541)689-2500
>>>> Web Home Page: www.pcffa.org
>>>> Email: fish1ifr at aol.com
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