From john.meyer at live.com  Tue May 19 13:09:16 2020
From: john.meyer at live.com (John Meyer)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:09:16 +0000
Subject: [OldNorth] No Old North Meeting in May
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ONDNA Board and Interested Parties,

Again, we will not be holding our monthly meeting of the Old North Board on Thursday.  There is no pressing business I am aware of that would warrant administration of a video meeting.  We should consider such a step next month if in-person meetings are still not recommended.

John Meyer
President, Old North Davis Neighborhood Association


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From tracysteve642 at gmail.com  Tue May 19 18:40:55 2020
From: tracysteve642 at gmail.com (Steve Tracy)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:40:55 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] No Old North Meeting in May
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Hi, everyone. 

I have some items we could talk about at some time fairly soon, I hope. Nothing in crisis, but things I think shouldn?t put off forever. I am also pursuing these with the Bike Davis Board.  

1.  Many places in town, bike lane markings have faded to near invisibility.  This puts those of us who do significant riding at risk of being clobbered by a driver new to Davis, or one who needs prominent reminders about where the part of the street dedicated to cars ends.  

2.  Solid striping is supposed to change to dashed striping as we approach intersections with stop lights or stop signs. It is especially dangerous at these locations if cyclists do not get a visual indication they can move toward the center line if they are turning left. 

No matter the high risk level, these things won?t get fixed unless PW begins to pay more attention to safety for cyclists. 

Steve. 

 







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> On May 19, 2020, at 1:09 PM, John Meyer <john.meyer at live.com> wrote:
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> ?
> ONDNA Board and Interested Parties,
>  
> Again, we will not be holding our monthly meeting of the Old North Board on Thursday.  There is no pressing business I am aware of that would warrant administration of a video meeting.  We should consider such a step next month if in-person meetings are still not recommended. 
>  
> John Meyer
> President, Old North Davis Neighborhood Association
>  
>  
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From angela729 at mac.com  Tue May 19 20:20:06 2020
From: angela729 at mac.com (Angela Willson)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:20:06 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] No Old North Meeting in May
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At the last police meeting I brought up traffic issues on B street. We were told that the excess in spending do to various lockdown expenses and the decrease in taxes means many important improvements will be delayed 

Please excuse typing errors :) Sent from my phone 

> On May 19, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Steve Tracy <tracysteve642 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi, everyone. 
> 
> I have some items we could talk about at some time fairly soon, I hope. Nothing in crisis, but things I think shouldn?t put off forever. I am also pursuing these with the Bike Davis Board.  
> 
> 1.  Many places in town, bike lane markings have faded to near invisibility.  This puts those of us who do significant riding at risk of being clobbered by a driver new to Davis, or one who needs prominent reminders about where the part of the street dedicated to cars ends.  
> 
> 2.  Solid striping is supposed to change to dashed striping as we approach intersections with stop lights or stop signs. It is especially dangerous at these locations if cyclists do not get a visual indication they can move toward the center line if they are turning left. 
> 
> No matter the high risk level, these things won?t get fixed unless PW begins to pay more attention to safety for cyclists. 
> 
> Steve. 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On May 19, 2020, at 1:09 PM, John Meyer <john.meyer at live.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> ONDNA Board and Interested Parties,
>>  
>> Again, we will not be holding our monthly meeting of the Old North Board on Thursday.  There is no pressing business I am aware of that would warrant administration of a video meeting.  We should consider such a step next month if in-person meetings are still not recommended. 
>>  
>> John Meyer
>> President, Old North Davis Neighborhood Association
>>  
>>  
>> _______________________________________________
>> oldnorth mailing list
>> oldnorth at mailman.dcn.org
>> http://mailman.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/oldnorth
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From tracysteve642 at gmail.com  Tue May 19 21:51:40 2020
From: tracysteve642 at gmail.com (Steve Tracy)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 21:51:40 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] No Old North Meeting in May
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Angela. 

I believe the police are giving you an excuse, not a reason.  

I was fortunate to work for many years with Judy Corbett and Dan Burden as they developed better street designs in communities all over California and other towns in the US, 

Attacking excess travel lane width was the first and easiest tactic we looked at where Caltrans? 12 to 14 foot width standards had been utilized in the past. 

A typical post-war main street In America had two lanes in each direction with 8 foot wide Parking stalls. 

Across the top of downtown Davis, 48 to 50 foot wide 5th Street used to have two lanes in each direction. That meant no parking, which hampered commercial possibilities. A blessing of sorts, it also meant the ever more popular Farmers Market in Central Park was affected. 

Many people back then chose to park in Old North Davis, including the School District headquarters parking lot. But that meant they were forced to run for their lives to cross 5th Street at C Street. 

One weekend when Cyndi and I were out of town, daughter Michelle and her boyfriend drew up some 2 by 3 foot renderings of the better street and how it would work. They took a couple of easels and some petition sheets to the Saturday Farmers Market, and stood by the Hattie Weber Museum and hit on people who had just run across 5th Street. 

Literally hundreds of people signed the petition. The following three weeks we had Bike Davis members at both ends of the Farmers Market with petition sheets. 

I forget the full count we collected, but is was several thousand signatures in the end. 

I do not recall if City Staff put the issue on an agenda, or if they resisted and we had to stand in line during public comment. We put a few copies of the full signature pages on the staff table for the Council members. As those were Passed down the line we could see Council members wincing as they saw the many signatures of their donors and supporters. 

Anyway, a full hearing was scheduled, with 5th Street as the dominant topic, and the massive signature list in play. 

The Council made the right decision, and the result was the better, safer, calmer, two-lane with turn lanes and bike lanes street we now have. 

Steve. 



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> On May 19, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Angela Willson <angela729 at mac.com> wrote:
> 

From tracysteve642 at gmail.com  Tue May 19 21:54:16 2020
From: tracysteve642 at gmail.com (Steve Tracy)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 21:54:16 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] No Old North Meeting in May
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Hit the wrong key before I meant to send this. 

The bottom line is, we don?t have to toe the line with the Davis PD. Nobody there has any grounding in street design. 

Steve. 

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> On May 19, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Steve Tracy <tracysteve642 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Angela. 
> 
> I believe the police are giving you an excuse, not a reason.  
> 
> I was fortunate to work for many years with Judy Corbett and Dan Burden as they developed better street designs in communities all over California and other towns in the US, 
> 
> Attacking excess travel lane width was the first and easiest tactic we looked at where Caltrans? 12 to 14 foot width standards had been utilized in the past. 
> 
> A typical post-war main street In America had two lanes in each direction with 8 foot wide Parking stalls. 
> 
> Across the top of downtown Davis, 48 to 50 foot wide 5th Street used to have two lanes in each direction. That meant no parking, which hampered commercial possibilities. A blessing of sorts, it also meant the ever more popular Farmers Market in Central Park was affected. 
> 
> Many people back then chose to park in Old North Davis, including the School District headquarters parking lot. But that meant they were forced to run for their lives to cross 5th Street at C Street. 
> 
> One weekend when Cyndi and I were out of town, daughter Michelle and her boyfriend drew up some 2 by 3 foot renderings of the better street and how it would work. They took a couple of easels and some petition sheets to the Saturday Farmers Market, and stood by the Hattie Weber Museum and hit on people who had just run across 5th Street. 
> 
> Literally hundreds of people signed the petition. The following three weeks we had Bike Davis members at both ends of the Farmers Market with petition sheets. 
> 
> I forget the full count we collected, but is was several thousand signatures in the end. 
> 
> I do not recall if City Staff put the issue on an agenda, or if they resisted and we had to stand in line during public comment. We put a few copies of the full signature pages on the staff table for the Council members. As those were Passed down the line we could see Council members wincing as they saw the many signatures of their donors and supporters. 
> 
> Anyway, a full hearing was scheduled, with 5th Street as the dominant topic, and the massive signature list in play. 
> 
> The Council made the right decision, and the result was the better, safer, calmer, two-lane with turn lanes and bike lanes street we now have. 
> 
> Steve. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 19, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Angela Willson <angela729 at mac.com> wrote:
>> 

From angela729 at mac.com  Tue May 19 22:19:12 2020
From: angela729 at mac.com (Angela Willson)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 22:19:12 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] No Old North Meeting in May
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Steve I?m sorry I wasn?t clear.. the Chief was talking about City money to do projects.. not his department.  I was asking him about traffic calming plans and what I stated earlier was his reply. I think the Bike committee would be the one who would work with the city about bike lanes not us.

> On May 19, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Steve Tracy <tracysteve642 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Angela. 
> 
> I believe the police are giving you an excuse, not a reason.  
> 
> I was fortunate to work for many years with Judy Corbett and Dan Burden as they developed better street designs in communities all over California and other towns in the US, 
> 
> Attacking excess travel lane width was the first and easiest tactic we looked at where Caltrans? 12 to 14 foot width standards had been utilized in the past. 
> 
> A typical post-war main street In America had two lanes in each direction with 8 foot wide Parking stalls. 
> 
> Across the top of downtown Davis, 48 to 50 foot wide 5th Street used to have two lanes in each direction. That meant no parking, which hampered commercial possibilities. A blessing of sorts, it also meant the ever more popular Farmers Market in Central Park was affected. 
> 
> Many people back then chose to park in Old North Davis, including the School District headquarters parking lot. But that meant they were forced to run for their lives to cross 5th Street at C Street. 
> 
> One weekend when Cyndi and I were out of town, daughter Michelle and her boyfriend drew up some 2 by 3 foot renderings of the better street and how it would work. They took a couple of easels and some petition sheets to the Saturday Farmers Market, and stood by the Hattie Weber Museum and hit on people who had just run across 5th Street. 
> 
> Literally hundreds of people signed the petition. The following three weeks we had Bike Davis members at both ends of the Farmers Market with petition sheets. 
> 
> I forget the full count we collected, but is was several thousand signatures in the end. 
> 
> I do not recall if City Staff put the issue on an agenda, or if they resisted and we had to stand in line during public comment. We put a few copies of the full signature pages on the staff table for the Council members. As those were Passed down the line we could see Council members wincing as they saw the many signatures of their donors and supporters. 
> 
> Anyway, a full hearing was scheduled, with 5th Street as the dominant topic, and the massive signature list in play. 
> 
> The Council made the right decision, and the result was the better, safer, calmer, two-lane with turn lanes and bike lanes street we now have. 
> 
> Steve. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 19, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Angela Willson <angela729 at mac.com> wrote:
>>