From dequickert at omsoft.com  Mon Aug 22 00:39:59 2005
From: dequickert at omsoft.com (Dan Quickert)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:39:59 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] Re: density web site
In-Reply-To: <p06100504bf2e96edf844@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <p06100504bf2e96edf844@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <4309814F.70604@omsoft.com>

Interesting. On the face of it, so much for "densification" as a necessity...

[those disinclined to read stream-of-consciousness conjecture are advise to delete at this point]

There may be a more-or-less mundane reason for this density divide:

As I noticed when first visiting the East Coast - expecting  wall-to-wall cities - there is so very much more *country* included in those populated areas. So we're denser because we don't have big 'holes' in the matrix. Which also means that our denseness *feels* denser too - far less green buffer for the senses.

This came about, I think, from historic settlement patterns.  I'm sure persons far more knowledgeable than I about such things are reading this - but my impression was that those urban centers were comprised of lots of little rural towns surrounded by forest, that grew together; whereas our western centers have been more monolithic, on more open ground, and growing from the center outward.

Of course there are many grown-together towns in California - the Bay Area is a prime example... but I see there that the least-dense area around the periphery of the bay - excluding the wetlands - is the most densely-wooded (around Palo Alto, etc toward the hills). Was it historically thus, and is that a major factor? Someone must know...

So let's plant a forest between here and Dixon ASAP!

;-)

Dan Q

John Lofland wrote:
> A recent Washington Post story on population density research reports 
> that Davis is the 6th most dense city in the U.S.  The URL of the story 
> is given below. John Lofland
> 
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From valerie at vanngroup.com  Mon Aug 22 08:38:18 2005
From: valerie at vanngroup.com (Valerie Vann)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:38:18 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] [Fwd: HRMC Meeting] Re: Dresbach-Hunt-Boyer Tank House
Message-ID: <4309F16A.AAF3912A@vanngroup.com>

This meeting of the Historic Resources Managenment Commission
is considering the matter of the Dresbach-Hunt-Boyer Mansion's
Tank House, specifically demolition of it, in conjunction with
a proposal under consideration for management of the Varsity
Theater. 

Please note that the meeting convenes at the Varsity Theater
rather than the Museum, and an hour earlier than usual.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: HRMC Meeting
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:31:50 -0700
From: "Xzandrea Fowler" <XFowler at ci.davis.ca.us>
To: "Ken Hiatt" <KHiatt at ci.davis.ca.us>,"Sarah Worley"
<SWorley at ci.davis.ca.us>,"Torreya Cummings" <TCummings at ci.davis.ca.us>,
<bac at dcn.org>,<rherbert at jrphistorical.com>,
<maria at oarch.com>,<galesosnick at sbcglobal.net>,
<jimbecket at sbcglobal.net>,<aprilzeman at ucdavis-alumni.com>,
<valerie at vanngroup.com>,<christine at wertperch.co.uk>, <sdkptibor at yahoo.com>

The HRMC meeting has been rescheduled for Monday August 29th. The
meeting will begin at 6:30 PM in front of the Varsity Theatre. 

If anyone needs another copy of the report please let me know. I will
mail out and post the agenda today (it will be identical to the agenda
for the Aug. 15th meeting).

Xzandrea

Xzandrea Fowler
Assistant Planner
Community Development Department
City of Davis
23 Russell Boulevard
Davis, CA 95616
Tel: 530-757-5610
Fax: 530-757-5660
xfowler at ci.davis.ca.us



From valerie at vanngroup.com  Mon Aug 22 08:40:28 2005
From: valerie at vanngroup.com (Valerie Vann)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:40:28 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] Item 4 on OD Tues meeting - DHB Tank House
Message-ID: <4309F1EC.F256F5E8@vanngroup.com>

The Tank House referred to as "next to Mansion Cellars" is:

The Tank House belonging to the Dresbach-Hunt-Boyer Mansion Complex, 
a City Landmark on the National Register. It belongs to the
City of Davis. It is listed on the National Register as a significant
contributing component of the DHB Mansion Landmark Complex. Its structural
and ornamental details match the Mansion. It is approx. 130 yrs old.
The DHB Mansion Complex is the only publicly owned residential
Landmark in Davis.

The city of Davis has only 2 remaining Tank Houses of the dozens still
standing in the 1940's: the DHB Tank House, which is the only one 
relatively unaltered and restorable for educational and interpretive
purposes; and one on Rice Lane that is privately owned and converted
for residential purposes.

The Tank House is located between the Varsity Theater (another City owned 
Landmark) and the the DHB Mansion. In danger of demolition are the Tank 
House itself and the surrounding historic orange orchard. The parcel on 
which the Tank House and orchard are located comprises 1/3 to 1/2 of the 
DHB Mansion Complex grounds, which are also described in the Mansion's
NR listing as contributing, and some of the last remaining publically 
owned open space/park in downtown Davis since the privatization and
fencing of the Old City Hall grounds.

The object of this proposed "lot scraping" operation is the construction
of a privately owned 3-story cafe and office building that would fill
the entire parcel from front to back and from the Varsity Theater wall
to the edge of the sidewalk that runs under the East windows of the 
DHB Mansion.

The Historic Resources Management Commission (HRMC) meeting at which
the Tank House matter is under review was originally delayed until
last Thursday, then cancelled; it has just been rescheduled for
Monday August 29, at 6:30 PM AT THE VARSITY THEATER on 2nd Street.
Please try to attend this meeting of the HRMC.

Valerie Vann
valerie at vanngroup.com



From dequickert at omsoft.com  Mon Aug 22 13:11:09 2005
From: dequickert at omsoft.com (Dan Quickert)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:11:09 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] Mosquito insecticide spraying
In-Reply-To: <p06100504bf2e96edf844@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <p06100504bf2e96edf844@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <430A315D.9010109@omsoft.com>

In case you haven't heard, they are planning to spray our neighborhoods - that's your house - sometime very soon.
Not well-publicized: there's a sign-up for "do not spray". website is:

http://www.fightthebite.net/service_request/?noSpray=true

There will be a meeting - "informational" - about the spraying, on Tuesday Aug. 23 (tomorrow) at 7pm at the City Council chambers.

They say they are just spraying with pyrethrins - but there's also an additive, piperonyl butoxide. For some reason that information is hard to find on their website... That chemical is an EPA suspected carcinogen, and in my opinion may have endocrine and immune system effects.

I urge everyone to sign up for no-spray, and come to the meeting, if you don't think the blanket use of insecticides is wise.

Dan Quickert


From valerie at vanngroup.com  Mon Aug 22 14:17:14 2005
From: valerie at vanngroup.com (Valerie Vann)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:17:14 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] Mosquito insecticide spraying
References: <p06100504bf2e96edf844@[10.0.1.4]> <430A315D.9010109@omsoft.com>
Message-ID: <430A40DA.5AA653D4@vanngroup.com>

Info:

Environmental Defense Fund:

http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=51-03-6#hazards


[NIH} National Institute of Health:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002589.htm

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a601105.html

Valerie Vann
valerie at vanngroup.com
===========

Dan Quickert wrote:
> 
> In case you haven't heard, they are planning to spray our neighborhoods - that's your house - sometime very soon.
> Not well-publicized: there's a sign-up for "do not spray". website is:
> 
> http://www.fightthebite.net/service_request/?noSpray=true
> 
> There will be a meeting - "informational" - about the spraying, on Tuesday Aug. 23 (tomorrow) at 7pm at the City Council chambers.
> 
> They say they are just spraying with pyrethrins - but there's also an additive, piperonyl butoxide. For some reason that information is hard to find on their website... That chemical is an EPA suspected carcinogen, and in my opinion may have endocrine and immune system effects.
> 
> I urge everyone to sign up for no-spray, and come to the meeting, if you don't think the blanket use of insecticides is wise.
> 
> Dan Quickert



From zesmith at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 22 15:51:22 2005
From: zesmith at hotmail.com (Z Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:51:22 +0000
Subject: [OldNorth] Is Davis really so dense?
In-Reply-To: <p06100504bf2e96edf844@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F341E346726918D50D834E8BBB60@phx.gbl>

As much fun as that Washington Post report that John forwarded around seems 
(Davis denser than New York City?), this semingly shocking result is 
*entirely* an artifact of where this particular study chose to draw the 
boundaries of what it classified as an "urban area".

Reality check:  If you pick, say, San Francisco proper, you get 740,000 
people in 45 square miles = 16,000 people/square mile, average.  It varies a 
great deal spatially, of course. 
http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/sfdensity.htm

In fact, you can see a global listing of population densities for cities at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_selected_cities_by_population_density

(remember to multiply by 2.58 to convert population/km2 to population/mi2 )

New York               26,553 per sq mi
    Manhattan          66,690
San Francisco          16,571
Los Angeles              7,846

Vancouver              13,122
    West End           51,600

Seoul                     42,289
Tokyo                    14,590
    Nakano dist.        51,853

--
Davis                        4,845   (Washington Post article)
Davis                        6,262   (62,000 / 9.9 sq. mi.) City web site
Davis                        5,769   (Wikipedia)

Z Smith
writing from Vancouver, BC, where it is dense and lovely


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>From: John Lofland <jflofland at ucdavis.edu>
>To: Old North Association <oldnorth at velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us>
>CC: Esther Polito <epolito at pacbell.net>, Ken Hiatt <KHiatt at ci.davis.ca.us>, 
>        "Eileen M. Samitz" <emsamitz at dcn.davis.ca.us>,        Davis 
>Downtown <ddba at davis.com>
>Subject: [OldNorth] Fwd: density web site
>Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:42:56 -0700
>
>A recent Washington Post story on population density research reports that 
>Davis is the 6th most dense city in the U.S.  The URL of the story is given 
>below. John Lofland
>
>
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From teallis at ucdavis.edu  Mon Aug 22 18:59:16 2005
From: teallis at ucdavis.edu (Tim Allis)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:59:16 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] Mosquito insecticide spraying - another meeting
	tonight...
In-Reply-To: <430A315D.9010109@omsoft.com>
References: <p06100504bf2e96edf844@[10.0.1.4]> <430A315D.9010109@omsoft.com>
Message-ID: <430A82F4.5020703@ucdavis.edu>

For what it's worth, there is another informational meeting (beginning 
in a few minutes) sponsored by the Stop West Nile Spraying Now group at 
the Veterans' Memorial Center Club Room (203 E. 14th Street), 7:00 - 
9:00 pm tonight.

-- Tim Allis

Dan Quickert wrote:

> In case you haven't heard, they are planning to spray our 
> neighborhoods - that's your house - sometime very soon.
> Not well-publicized: there's a sign-up for "do not spray". website is:
>
> http://www.fightthebite.net/service_request/?noSpray=true
>
> There will be a meeting - "informational" - about the spraying, on 
> Tuesday Aug. 23 (tomorrow) at 7pm at the City Council chambers.
>
> They say they are just spraying with pyrethrins - but there's also an 
> additive, piperonyl butoxide. For some reason that information is hard 
> to find on their website... That chemical is an EPA suspected 
> carcinogen, and in my opinion may have endocrine and immune system 
> effects.
>
> I urge everyone to sign up for no-spray, and come to the meeting, if 
> you don't think the blanket use of insecticides is wise.
>
> Dan Quickert
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