From bwinterhalder at ucdavis.edu Tue Sep 14 11:12:07 2004 From: bwinterhalder at ucdavis.edu (Bruce Winterhalder) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:12:07 -0700 Subject: [OldNorth] Trash Pick-up & Alleys Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040914110719.01b45b50@bronze.ucdavis.edu> Old North Neighbors in the Bowers Addition (those of you on alleys): The following flyer will be distributed in printed form later this week, with a stamped & addressed survey card asking if you prefer to continue alley service with the new garbage carts or move to street pick-up service. We have tried here to summarize the advantages and disadvantages of the two possibilities. We were asked to do this survey after discussions with DWR about our options under the new trash pick-up system. Bruce Sunday, September 12, 2004 Trash & Recycling Pickup?The end of Alley Service? Dear Old North Neighbor: You probably received the recent "Get Ready - Get Set" flyer from Davis Waste Removal (DWR), announcing a new system for trash and recycling pick-up. The new system uses large, wheeled containers for both trash and recycling. They are emptied mechanically, to reduce employee back injuries. The system works well in typical suburban residential neighborhoods where residents roll out their cans from their two-car garages and can block one lane of their two-lane driveway with the cans. However, in the northern half of Old North (between 6th and 7th Streets), where the streets have alleys and few houses have driveways, we have a special challenge. The new pickup trucks with their mechanical arms on the side would have a hard time fitting down our back alleys in their current state, and so DWR has announced plans to discontinue alley pickup service. The expectation is that residents would roll cans from wherever they are stored out through their front yards, and over the parking strip and curbs, placing them in the street for pickup. After discussions with DWR and some careful measurements of alleys, we have determined that it would be possible to continue alley service with the new carts and lift systems, but it will require * Neighborhood consent to tree-trimming to provide a clear path for the trucks and locations for the cans. DWR has said it would prefer the full 15' right-of-way width to be absolutely clear, but we believe they could make service work with a 12' clear path from end-to-end and wider areas where the cans would be placed for pickup. This would leave essentially all of the small border gardens that some have planted along the alley edges, but would require clean-up where the alleys are narrowed. * Placing cans along one side of the alley only, (so that each trash truck and recycle truck would only have to traverse each alley once. The City has asked we poll the neighborhood on its preferences. We have tried in the table below to summarize advantages and disadvantages of each option. Please consider the situation and return the enclosed survey form, stating your preference. If you have questions, you can call DWR at 756-4646 [www.dwrco.com], or Angela Willson (ONDNA, awillson at pacbell.net). Alley Pick-up, Advantages: Continues current system; Clean streetscapes; Ease of access for carts located in backyards; Few conflicts with parking. Alley Pick-up, Disadvantages: Trucks, puddles, ruts, noise; Very tight placement of cans along one side required for pick-up. Forty or more carts mean more obstacles in alleys; Likely, some tree/shrub trimming in alleys. Street Pick-up: Advantages: Easier for DWR personnel; Less mess and fewer obstacles in alleys; Fewer ruts & puddles in the alleys from heavy garbage trucks ?gunning? to accelerate and slamming on the brakes; Less exacting placement of carts than required for alley. Street Pick-up, Disadvantages: Conflicts with people trying to park; Difficulty of getting large, heavy carts to and from street & over curbs, given tradition of back-of-house storage; Unsightliness if carts are stored in front yard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valerie at vanngroup.com Tue Sep 14 11:39:45 2004 From: valerie at vanngroup.com (Valerie Vann) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:39:45 -0700 Subject: [OldNorth] Trash Pick-up & Alleys References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040914110719.01b45b50@bronze.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <41473AF1.C0CD8FC@vanngroup.com> Bruce, Suggest you omit the 600 blocks of G and F from distribution. There may be an exception for the 4 units at 641 (two in front, two on the alley); I don't know what their status is; they do keep their 6-8 cans on the alley in a "shelter". Maybe the truck just backs into the alley a short way. But the way the cans are stored won't work with the new trucks because they're stored close together. All the rest of us keep our cans on the sides of the lot toward the front since these blocks have had on street pickup for about 10 years (or whenever the alley paving issue was, which is when we got kicked off the alley.) The end lots put theirs out on 6th or 7th Street near the alley entrances. I can't imagine DWR consenting to return these blocks that have long since made the change to alley pickup. Also, most of the 500 Block of F has long put theirs out front on street since their alley was paved, though the bus stops will present something of a challenge, as these units now put the cans on the planting strip, NOT in the street as will now be necessary. I wonder if DWR and the bus companies talk to each other.. Val ---- Valerie Vann valerie at vanngroup.com Bruce Winterhalder wrote: > > Old North Neighbors in the Bowers Addition (those of you on alleys): > The following flyer will be distributed in printed form later > this week, with a stamped & addressed survey card asking if you prefer to > continue alley service with the new garbage carts or move to street pick-up > service. We have tried here to summarize the advantages and disadvantages > of the two possibilities. We were asked to do this survey after discussions > with DWR about our options under the new trash pick-up system. > Bruce > > Sunday, September 12, 2004 > Trash & Recycling Pickup?The end of Alley Service? > > Dear Old North Neighbor: > You probably received the recent "Get Ready - Get Set" flyer > from Davis Waste Removal (DWR), announcing a new system for trash and > recycling pick-up. The new system uses large, wheeled containers for both > trash and recycling. They are emptied mechanically, to reduce employee back > injuries. > The system works well in typical suburban residential > neighborhoods where residents roll out their cans from their two-car garages > and can block one lane of their two-lane driveway with the cans. However, in > the northern half of Old North (between 6th and 7th Streets), where the > streets have alleys and few houses have driveways, we have a special > challenge. The new pickup trucks with their mechanical arms on the side > would have a hard time fitting down our back alleys in their current state, > and so DWR has announced plans to discontinue alley pickup service. The > expectation is that residents would roll cans from wherever they are stored > out through their front yards, and over the parking strip and curbs, placing > them in the street for pickup. > After discussions with DWR and some careful measurements of > alleys, we have determined that it would be possible to continue alley > service with the new carts and lift systems, but it will require > > > * Neighborhood consent to tree-trimming to provide a clear path for the > trucks and locations for the cans. DWR has said it would prefer the > full 15' right-of-way width to be absolutely clear, but we believe they > could make service work with a 12' clear path from end-to-end and wider > areas where the cans would be placed for pickup. This would leave > essentially all of the small border gardens that some have planted > along the alley edges, but would require clean-up where the alleys are > narrowed. > * Placing cans along one side of the alley only, (so that each trash > truck and recycle truck would only have to traverse each alley once. > > > The City has asked we poll the neighborhood on its preferences. > We have tried in the table below to summarize advantages and > disadvantages of each option. Please consider the situation and return the > enclosed survey form, stating your preference. > If you have questions, you can call DWR at 756-4646 > [www.dwrco.com], or Angela Willson (ONDNA, awillson at pacbell.net). > > Alley Pick-up, Advantages: > Continues current system; Clean streetscapes; Ease of access for > carts located in backyards; Few conflicts with parking. > Alley Pick-up, Disadvantages: > Trucks, puddles, ruts, noise; Very tight placement of cans > along one side required for pick-up. > Forty or more carts mean more obstacles in alleys; Likely, some tree/shrub > trimming in alleys. > > Street Pick-up: Advantages: > Easier for DWR personnel; Less mess and fewer obstacles in > alleys; Fewer ruts & puddles in the alleys from heavy garbage trucks > ?gunning? to accelerate and slamming on the brakes; Less exacting placement > of carts than required for alley. > Street Pick-up, Disadvantages: > Conflicts with people trying to park; Difficulty of getting > large, heavy carts to and from street & over curbs, given tradition of > back-of-house storage; Unsightliness if carts are stored in front yard. From valerie at vanngroup.com Tue Sep 14 11:55:01 2004 From: valerie at vanngroup.com (Valerie Vann) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:55:01 -0700 Subject: [OldNorth] New Clipping Pick Up & Sweeping Days References: Message-ID: <41473E85.F3B39C54@vanngroup.com> That's the way it works (or doesn't) on the 600 G block even with commercial landscaping maintenance on much of the block, because most of them come on Mondays after the yard pickup. So the stuff sits there for at least a week getting scattered, even if someone isn't parked on top of it on pickup morning. Sometimes it sits for more than a week before there's enough clearance to pick it up. As for street sweeping, sometimes it doesn't really happen until Spring or Thanksgiving break. Yuba City, which is often considered one of California's less enlightened cities, switched to the mechanized garbage such as DWR is getting years and years ago (15? 20yrs?), but at the same time they provide a second container for yard trash. NO yard trash is permitted in the street. If it won't fit in the can, or you have commercial service, you or they have to haul it to the dump. They had cleaner streets and fewer flooding problems from blocked drains as a result. In contrast, my block has a couple of old style street drains (with horizontal grates), and combined with all the piles typically blocking the gutters (which even if they didn't when placed often get shoved there by parking cars), whenever we have a severe storm the drainage doesn't function properly. I've seen the intersection of F & 6th flooded clear out to the center line more than once and my own block with water up over the curb in places. There is another result of yard trash scatter and difficulty sweeping: grass and weeds sprouting in the pavement cracks and gutters, leading to more dirt and seeds collecting, which traps more dirt, and so on. Valerie Vann valerie at vanngroup.com John Lofland wrote: > > Old Northers, > > For people like me who have not paid attention, I am surprised to > learn that today starts the new schedule for picking up yard > clippings we put in the street. > > Rather than Monday, the clippings will now be picked up on Wednesday. > Street sweeping will be on Thursday, a person at DWR told me on the > phone today. > > Since a great many people work in their yards on weekends and > therefore put out clippings on Sunday, we are likely to have piles in > the streets for three days rather than for one. > > This provides more opportunity for outside car parkers to park on > these piles and otherwise to scatter them. > > This might get to be interesting, especially when we soon combine the > piles with the new trash and recycle cans. > > John Lofland > > _______________________________________________ > oldnorth mailing list > oldnorth at mailman.dcn.org > http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/oldnorth From jflofland at ucdavis.edu Tue Sep 14 12:14:41 2004 From: jflofland at ucdavis.edu (John Lofland) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:14:41 -0700 Subject: [OldNorth] Linden Lane, North of Cornell & the Q District Message-ID: Last week, I reported on this list that the Council will tonight approve expanding the Q parking district (which bans overnight parking) to Linden Lane. I said I was going to appear at its public hearing to comment on the ever-enlarging area of non-resident car bans in Davis. The Staff Report on this item has now come out (at the Council agenda web site) and new information in it has caused me to revise my plans. I will not speak to the Council tonight. The reason is that the situation is much larger and more conflict-laden than I had previously understood. Linden Lane now appears to be only a small part the situation and I do not want to be in the middle of what is likely to be a Q district debate. The larger situation appears to be a division among residents in the area North of Cornell that includes parts of Pine, Purdue, Bucknell, and Colby. Of 98 residences in that area, 81 voted on the question of going into the Q district or not. They divided 40 yes and 41 no. Using the current Council standard, 54 yes votes were required (67%) for a Q district. Therefore, the measure failed. Proponents and opponents on this North of Cornell matter will likely dominate the public hearing. While I will not speak, I will certainly want to see what happens. Depending on how our Old North parking vote comes out, this episode could influence how the Council views our "preferential parking" proposal when it eventually comes before it. John Lofland From jflofland at ucdavis.edu Tue Sep 14 17:11:11 2004 From: jflofland at ucdavis.edu (John Lofland) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:11:11 -0700 Subject: [OldNorth] Fwd: 5th Street Project Meeting move Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:19:20 -0700 >Subject: 5th Street Project Meeting move >From: Ladd Woodland >To: , Ursula , > Jeff Adamski , Ken Hiatt , > Laura Cole-Rowe , Chuck Roe , > Scott Neeley , , > , , > Ladd Woodland , Donna Lott , > Beth , Gale Sosnick >X-Spam-Level: (0.587) >X-Spam-Debug: HTML_FONT_FACE_ODD,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.41 >X-Scanned-By: mimedefang on mail.omsoft.com >Status: > >Hello All, >In regards to the 5th Street Corridor Project, Pat Fitzsimmons has >requested the DDBA to combine two repetitive meetings into one. >As you know the 5th Street Project has become a topic for both the >Design Committee and the Parking Committee. For better or worse I >have committed to moving the Design Committee's discussion to the >Parking Committees meeting. >The Parking committee will meet on September 21 at 8:30am in the >employee room of Davis Ace Hardware. >If you want your opinion heard please attend. > >Let me know if you have any questions. > >Best Regards, >Ladd Woodland > > > >Ladd Woodland >Seventh Surface >530.758.4909 >ladd at seventhsurface.com >919 3rd Street, Suite A >Davis, CA 95616 > >-- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: