From ap_wallace at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 19:15:52 2003 From: ap_wallace at yahoo.com (Andrew P. Wallace) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:15:52 -0800 Subject: [OldNorth] FW: misc info Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Marshall [mailto:stracy at davis.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:46 PM To: John Lofland Cc: angela; Bruce; Dennis Dingemans; Ian; Dan Quickert; Andrew P. Wallace; Andrew P. Wallace Subject: Re: misc info John. Thanks for the ti on getting the material. I will look at it, but my take may be at odds with many of you. Steve Tracy. On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 03:33 PM, John Lofland wrote: > Angela, > > BRAVO your remarks below! You help give me a little more faith. I had > begun to lose all hope in the potential of citizen action. The > officials are smart, well paid, and work hard and without conscience > in getting their way--which is often not the way we would prefer. > > The problem with the R2 matter is that its complicated. I am guilty of > being quiet about it because I have not applied myself to get an > adequate understanding of it. > > Thank god for Peter. He is a man of great courage and vision that must > be taken way more seriously than he has been. > > I am prepared to read the R2 report, to try to master it and to show > up at the Council next week if at last three or four other people will > do so. > > Peter, Angela and I make three. Could we have at least a couple of > more volunteers? Five is all it really takes to make a big impression. > > John > > P.S. the R2 report can be downloaded from the City website at the > Council agenda packet. Hard copies are at Kinkos and the Fourthteenth > street library, among other places. > > > > > > > At 2:49 PM -0800 12/10/03, angela wrote: >> Hi guys.. was under the weather last night but tried to watch as much >> of the meeting as I could... meaning when I was awake... I did both >> see both John and Peter speak... both did great jobs..anyway...I'm >> really ticked about the R2 issue and think we should have been on the >> ball with this... the funny thing is that they mentioned us many >> times.. there is just way too much going on for us to be effective in >> everything (unless more of us do some of the work)... anyway..I'm >> going to write a letter to the council about the issue (a bit on >> parking but just a bit)...I am writing as a member of ON not as the >> prez... I don't know if we need to call an emergency meeting or not >> or if anyone else is interested send them a letter. I'm thinking >> about writing to the paper also...I just can't believe Ted sees us as >> a solution to growth...I was floored. Mayve Peter and I are in the >> minority..we have not really talked about the issue except on the >> surface and in regards to t! he intent of the guidlines. So let me >> know what you think. I'm going to try to make it tonight, but will be >> late as I have a class to attend. >> >> If anyone else is interested I think it is back on the agenda next >> week. >> >> >> >> >> Angela > From ap_wallace at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 19:15:50 2003 From: ap_wallace at yahoo.com (Andrew P. Wallace) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:15:50 -0800 Subject: [OldNorth] FW: misc info Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: angela [mailto:awillson at pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 2:50 PM To: awillson at pacbell.net; Bruce; Dennis Dingemans; Ian; Steve & Tracy Marshall; Dan Quickert; Andrew P. Wallace; Andrew P. Wallace; John Lofland Subject: misc info Hi guys.. was under the weather last night but tried to watch as much of the meeting as I could... meaning when I was awake... I did both see both John and Peter speak... both did great jobs..anyway...I'm really ticked about the R2 issue and think we should have been on the ball with this... the funny thing is that they mentioned us many times.. there is just way too much going on for us to be effective in everything (unless more of us do some of the work)... anyway..I'm going to write a letter to the council about the issue (a bit on parking but just a bit)...I am writing as a member of ON not as the prez... I don't know if we need to call an emergency meeting or not or if anyone else is interested send them a letter. I'm thinking about writing to the paper also...I just can't believe Ted sees us as a solution to growth...I was floored. Mayve Peter and I are in the minority..we have not really talked about the issue except on the surface and in regards to the intent of the guidlines. So let me know what you think. I'm going to try to make it tonight, but will be late as I have a class to attend. 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I am guilty of being quiet about it because I have not applied myself to get an adequate understanding of it. Thank god for Peter. He is a man of great courage and vision that must be taken way more seriously than he has been. I am prepared to read the R2 report, to try to master it and to show up at the Council next week if at last three or four other people will do so. Peter, Angela and I make three. Could we have at least a couple of more volunteers? Five is all it really takes to make a big impression. John P.S. the R2 report can be downloaded from the City website at the Council agenda packet. Hard copies are at Kinkos and the Fourthteenth street library, among other places. At 2:49 PM -0800 12/10/03, angela wrote: >Hi guys.. was under the weather last night but tried to watch as >much of the meeting as I could... meaning when I was awake... I did >both see both John and Peter speak... both did great >jobs..anyway...I'm really ticked about the R2 issue and think we >should have been on the ball with this... the funny thing is that >they mentioned us many times.. there is just way too much going on >for us to be effective in everything (unless more of us do some of >the work)... anyway..I'm going to write a letter to the council >about the issue (a bit on parking but just a bit)...I am writing as >a member of ON not as the prez... I don't know if we need to call an >emergency meeting or not or if anyone else is interested send them a >letter. I'm thinking about writing to the paper also...I just can't >believe Ted sees us as a solution to growth...I was floored. Mayve >Peter and I are in the minority..we have not really talked about the >issue except on the surface and in regards to t! he intent of the >guidlines. So let me know what you think. I'm going to try to make >it tonight, but will be late as I have a class to attend. > >If anyone else is interested I think it is back on the agenda next week. > > > > >Angela From jflofland at ucdavis.edu Wed Dec 10 20:46:58 2003 From: jflofland at ucdavis.edu (John Lofland) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:46:58 -0800 Subject: [OldNorth] R-2CD zoning district In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andy, Here is the URL you request. http://www.city.davis.ca.us/meetings/councilpackets/20031209/06_R-2CD_Zoning_District.pdf Any characterization of the Council meeting on the relevant matters ought to come, I think, from one or more members of the ONNA Board. It is now being shown on TV time and time again. I have a tape of it if anyone would like to borrow it and characterize what happened. Thanks. John >John, > >Do you happen to know the web location of the R2 report? > >Also, would it be possible for you to briefly summarize the City Council >meeting and send it to: >members at oldnorthdavis.com > >Thanks, >Andy > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Lofland [mailto:jflofland at ucdavis.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:34 PM >To: angela; Bruce; Dennis Dingemans; Ian; Steve & Tracy Marshall; Dan >Quickert; Andrew P. Wallace; Andrew P. Wallace >Subject: Re: misc info > > >Angela, > >BRAVO your remarks below! You help give me a little more faith. I had >begun to lose all hope in the potential of citizen action. The >officials are smart, well paid, and work hard and without conscience >in getting their way--which is often not the way we would prefer. > >The problem with the R2 matter is that its complicated. I am guilty >of being quiet about it because I have not applied myself to get an >adequate understanding of it. > >Thank god for Peter. He is a man of great courage and vision that >must be taken way more seriously than he has been. > >I am prepared to read the R2 report, to try to master it and to show >up at the Council next week if at last three or four other people >will do so. > >Peter, Angela and I make three. Could we have at least a couple of >more volunteers? Five is all it really takes to make a big impression. > >John > >P.S. the R2 report can be downloaded from the City website at the >Council agenda packet. Hard copies are at Kinkos and the Fourthteenth >street library, among other places. > > > > > > >At 2:49 PM -0800 12/10/03, angela wrote: >>Hi guys.. was under the weather last night but tried to watch as >>much of the meeting as I could... meaning when I was awake... I did >>both see both John and Peter speak... both did great >>jobs..anyway...I'm really ticked about the R2 issue and think we >>should have been on the ball with this... the funny thing is that >>they mentioned us many times.. there is just way too much going on >>for us to be effective in everything (unless more of us do some of >>the work)... anyway..I'm going to write a letter to the council >>about the issue (a bit on parking but just a bit)...I am writing as >>a member of ON not as the prez... I don't know if we need to call an >>emergency meeting or not or if anyone else is interested send them a >>letter. I'm thinking about writing to the paper also...I just can't >>believe Ted sees us as a solution to growth...I was floored. Mayve >>Peter and I are in the minority..we have not really talked about the >>issue except on the surface and in regards to t! he intent of the >>guidlines. So let me know what you think. I'm going to try to make >>it tonight, but will be late as I have a class to attend. >> >>If anyone else is interested I think it is back on the agenda next week. >> >> >> >> >>Angela From jflofland at ucdavis.edu Wed Dec 10 21:15:00 2003 From: jflofland at ucdavis.edu (John Lofland) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:15:00 -0800 Subject: [OldNorth] R-2CD zoning district Message-ID: I forgot to mention for the benefit of those who say they do not have a TV: If you can read this message you likely can get streaming video on the screen at which you are now looking. The last Davis City Council meeting is available to you on your computer screen by going to the City of Davis web site home page and then to the agenda page indicated on it. Follow the instructions on the agenda page. And wow, you need not watch the entire meeting. You can select the segment on the R-2 topic. Perhaps someone who does this could do a nice summary of what happened? 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