From connv at dwq.swrcb.ca.gov  Mon Jun  2 09:07:39 2003
From: connv at dwq.swrcb.ca.gov (Valerie Connor)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 09:07:39 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] FW: By-laws
Message-ID: <sedb13f3.085@gwgate.swrcb.ca.gov>

Rather than have the credibility and trust of the Association be
suspect, I think it is appropriate to follow the bylaws exactly..  This
means the proposed change must be distributed to all members 30 days
before a vote is taken.  No one is acusing the Board of deliberately
breaking the bylaws.  There is nothing wrong in making a mistake.  But,
now that it has been identified, I think we need to correct it.

>>> Dan Quickert <dequickert at omsoft.com> 05/31/03 09:29AM >>>
The President's response is patently absurd.

Aside from his factual error ("in the news letter giving more than 30
days 
public notice"), the bylaws clearly state that the 30-day notice must 
include the specific changes to be enacted.

You cannot declare an action valid by fiat, merely because it was
desired 
and "there was not any intent".

Furthermore, it should not matter *who* brings it to the attention of
the 
Board that an action was inconsistent with the bylaws; the Board should
- 
and can easily - act responsibly when it has been shown to be in
error.

This Association was created to foster communication and trust; those
goals 
are not served by expediency, hastiness, defensive posturing and 
aggressively curtailing discussions - or attempting to marginalize
those 
with whom you disagree.

The responsible and reasonable reaction to John's concern about those 
bylaws changes would be to admit the error, and revisit the changes
with 
full attention to the procedures specified in the bylaws.

Dan Quickert

On Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:50 AM, Andrew P. Wallace  wrote:
> By-laws
> Message below from Tom Cross
> 
************************************************************************
 
****
> *****************************************
>
>
> In response to John L.'s & Dan Q.'s inquiries regarding the by-laws.

 Here
> is the section in question.
>
>
> 12. Amendments
> These Bylaws may be amended by a unanimous vote of the Board of
Directors 
in
> which all seven
> members vote, by a majority vote of the membership at an Annual
Meeting, 
or
> by a majority vote of the
> membership in a mail ballot. Thirty (30) days notice must be provided
to 
all
> members prior to a vote to
> change the bylaws. Such notices shall include any proposed changes to
the
> bylaws.
>
>
> 1) From my notes we gave notice at the two prior meetings about the
> discussion, and in the news letter giving more than 30 days public 
notice.
> If this is not to the letter of the by-laws it is with the spirit.
>
>
> 2) Yes we may not have provided the proposed changes prior to the 
meeting,
> this is not illegal because their was not any intent.  I think it is
more 
of
> a function of inexperience, and we tried to follow the spirit of the
> by-laws.
>
>
> 3) The BOD voted 7-0 in favor of the change.
>
>
> I propose that if any other associate member except John L. & Dan q.
has 
a
> problem with the changes to the by-laws please forward them to the
board.
> If so then the 03/04 BOD may inquire to the changes properly.  If not

then
> let the changes stand.
>
>
> Here are the changes once again.
>
>
> The specific wording that was changed to is as follows:
> 9.3 Proxies.
> 9.3.1  The Association shall not allow the use of proxy or absentee
vote.
> 9.3.2  The Association shall not allow the use of proxy vote for
> monthly Board Activities.
> 9.3.3  The Association shall allow the use of absentee vote for the
> use of Annual Board of Directors Election.
>
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Tom
> --
> **************************
> Thomas Cross
> P.O. Box 2275
> Davis, CA 95617-2275
> (530) 750-3788 Phone & Fax
> TSCross at ucdavis.edu 
>  << File: ATT00001.html >> 
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From ap_wallace at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  2 21:42:48 2003
From: ap_wallace at yahoo.com (Andrew P. Wallace)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:42:48 -0700
Subject: [OldNorth] SPAM
Message-ID: <NHBBJMBIKLEFKFGHBAMJCECDCDAA.ap_wallace@yahoo.com>

All,
There has been an increasing number of SPAM emails to the the Old North
Davis mailing list.  There are various things I can do to cut down on these.
However, I'm hoping not to as the current settings make list management
easier.

In the event that SPAM becomes excessive over the coming weeks/months, I
will change various properties of the email list to reduce the potential for
SPAM.


Best Regards,
Andy Wallace