[env-trinity] Eureka Times Standard - 8/2/07

Tue Aug 7 12:29:17 PDT 2007

Tom,

I think that was part of the rationale used in the CDFG report when they came up with their estimate.  

GG

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From: env-trinity-bounces at velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us on behalf of Tom Stokely
Sent: Tue 8/7/2007 1:42 PM
To: Guillen, George J.; Craig Tucker; jay_glase at nps.gov; Byron Leydecker; Peter Brucker; Regina C
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Subject: Re: [env-trinity] Eureka Times Standard - 8/2/07

All I know about the 2002 Kill-Off (Die-off + Fish Kill) is that for the first time since they've been monitoring spring and fall chinook runs on the Trinity River, the spring chinook outnumbered the fall chinook by a factor of about 2/1.  Normally, the fall chinook outnumber the spring chinook by 2/1.

We had roughly 18,000 fall chinook adults return to the Trinity River in 2002.  There were roughly 36,000 spring chinook.  If one assumes that the 2/1 ratio is reversed due to the Kill-Off, then we lost 54,000 adult fall chinook from the Trinity River alone.  

If there were 36,000 springers, then there should have been approximately 72,000 fall chinook.

If you subtract 18,000 from 72,000, you get 54,000 missing fall chinook adults from the Trinity River.  

So anyway, I don't think that 80,000 fish lost in 2002 is unrealistic.  Of course, nobody will know because of carcasses floating away, rotting, being eaten, etc.  

Respectfully submitted,

Tom Stokely
Principal Planner
Trinity Co. Planning/Natural Resources
PO Box 2819
60 Glen Rd.
Weaverville, CA 96093-2819
530-623-1351, Press 2-2-1
FAX 623-1353
tstokely at trinityalps.net or tstokely at trinitycounty.org

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	Craig et al.

	Unless I am becoming senile I think you have that backward.  As the author of the FWS report back then we initially estimated the 33K 

	Excerpt from Guillen, G. 2003. Klamath River Fish Die-off, Spetember 2002, Mortality Report, FWS. AFWO-01-03

	34,056 total dead fish
	33,527 salmonids, 97.1% fall run Chinook.

	CDFG effectively bumped it up later in their reported saying their analysis provided evidence that could double the original estimate i.e. 68K.  Don't know where the latest 80K came from.

	GG

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	From: env-trinity-bounces at velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us on behalf of Craig Tucker
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	It was the USFWS final report that increased the number from CA Fish and
	Game's early estimate of 35,000 to 68,000. Thus the inflation began.

	S. Craig Tucker, Ph.D.
	Klamath Campaign Coordinator
	Karuk Tribe of California
	office: 530-627-3446 x3027
	cell: 916-207-8294
	ctucker at karuk.us

	www.karuk.us

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	The only downside I see to articles like this is that seemingly every time
	I read one, the number of dead salmon increases.  I realize that sometimes
	it's the press, updated estimates,  rounding numbers, etc. but
	inconsistencies that start at 35,000 and go up to (most recently) 80,000
	don't bode well for the science behind all of this.  If the estimates have
	been recalculated and are reasonably solid, it would be good to see that
	kind of information in print.  Not that I don't think this was a horrific
	deed - it most certainly was - but pretty soon it'll be up to 100,000 dead
	salmon, and credibility will be in question.

	Jay Glase
	Great Lakes Area Fishery Biologist
	National Park Service
	800 E Lakeshore Dr
	Houghton, MI 49931
	906-487-7167

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	Thompson decries VP's Klamath interference
	Eureka Times Standard - 8/2/07

	After new evidence was revealed during a House Natural Resources Committee
	hearing on whether government officials manipulated science in order to
	divert water from the Klamath River, North Coast Rep. Mike Thompson issued
	a statement blasting that abuse of the process.

	"(Tuesday's) hearing is clear evidence that the scientific process behind
	the water diversion was purposely manipulated by government officials,"
	said Thompson. "Sidestepping this process led to an illegal water plan that
	contributed to the largest adult salmon kill in the West."

	The Department of Commerce's inspector general testified that department
	officials bypassed key oversight mechanisms when creating a biological
	opinion on how a water diversion would affect endangered fish in the
	Klamath.

	The final biological opinion, which was later found in violation of the
	Endangered Species Act, contributed to the deaths of roughly 80,000
	spawning salmon.

	The hearing was held by the House Natural Resources Committee in response
	to a request made by Thompson and 35 of his Democratic colleagues from
	California and Oregon.

	They called for the hearing because of the reported pressure Vice President
	Dick Cheney placed upon the Department of Interior to, as the Washington
	Post stated in its June investigative report, "prioritize economic
	interests over protected fish."

	The Post reported that the vice president called for water to be diverted
	from the Klamath River Basin to farms in Oregon in order to secure the
	farmers' votes.

	Cheney declined to testify at the hearing.

	"The history of political strong-arming in the Klamath is despicable," said
	Thompson. "Fortunately, a silver lining has begun to form. Stakeholders in
	the Klamath River Basin are working together on a plan to recover the fish
	and help the farmers who need water for their land.

	"I believe there is room for both the fishers and the farmers, but we must
	ensure the government's future involvement is transparent and honest,"
	Thompson said. "To that end, I am committed to continuing this
	investigation and improving the oversight process."

	Byron Leydecker
	Friends of Trinity River, Chair
	California Trout, Inc., Advisor
	PO Box 2327
	Mill Valley, CA 94942-2327
	415 383 4810
	415 519 4810 cell
	bwl3 at comcast.net
	bleydecker at stanfordalumni.org
	http://www.fotr.org <http://www.fotr.org/> 
	http://www.caltrout.org <http://www.caltrout.org/> 

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