[1st-mile-nm] 1st-mile-nm Digest, Vol 158, Issue 9

Robert Jacobson robert.jacobson at atelier-tomorrow.com
Mon Dec 23 15:04:45 PST 2019 

Thank you, Michael and John!   I’ll look into this and absolutely chat each of you up!

Happy holidays!

Bob

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>   1. Re: Long Haul Broadband Access (John Badal)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:43:50 +0000
> From: John Badal <jbadal at sacredwindnm.com>
> To: Michael Harris <mharris at visgence.com>, 1st-mile Nm
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> Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] Long Haul Broadband Access
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> Robert,
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> Our company uses Cambium distribution and subscriber radio equipment at 5.8Ghz and 3.65Ghz bandwidth to several thousand homes on 3200 sq miles of the Navajo Rez in NW New Mexico.  The 5.8Ghz is great for 100Mbps download LOS over short distances and the 3.65Ghz can provide 10Mbps-25Mbps over several miles LOS, with lower speeds even up to 12-15 miles. We?re seriously looking at the 2.5Ghz auction at the FCC late next year, which portends to offer 25Mbps download over even greater distances and Non-LOS. We currently provide fiber to the premise (large business and a HUD development) to our Navajo areas and are developing a larger scaled model of that hybrid system outside of our territory where we plan fiber to the premise in concentrated areas of a town, and fiber to the tower for fixed wireless at 50 - 100Mbps download to the homes that are more spread out.
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> Feel free to email me directly if you?d like to see what we do.
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> John
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> From: 1st-mile-nm <1st-mile-nm-bounces at mailman.dcn.org> On Behalf Of Michael Harris
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 9:13 AM
> To: 1st-mile Nm <1st-mile-nm at mailman.dcn.org>
> Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] Long Haul Broadband Access
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> Hi Robert,
> 
> I would say that fixed wireless is probably the best option in a situation like yours. The center of the town gets wired broadband, then you have a few towers around connecting the neighbors further away. There are lots of people on this list in the WISP industry who I'm sure would be happy to help consult (myself included).
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> Michael Harris
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> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:11 AM Robert Jacobson <robert.jacobson at atelier-tomorrow.com<mailto:robert.jacobson at atelier-tomorrow.com>> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> 
> I?m working with the Town of Patagonia, AZ, on its first broadband plan.
> 
> While it?s easy to see how a fiber drop and 5G transceivers can serve the majority of this 900-person community, it?s less obvious how to reach individuals beyond the immediate residential and business vicinity.  Ironically, I?m a case in point:  my new home, in the hilly region surrounding the Town, is a mile or so beyond the reach of the prospective broadband system.  I?m like Moses leading the Jews to the Promised Land, but not allowed to cross over.  More importantly, there are many residents in a similar position.  How do other locales handle the problem of citizen and business outliers?
> 
> I?m not looking forward to leaving Cox Cable, even with all its shortcomings, behind, in exchange for CenturyLink DSL.  I was blessed by the former Pacific Telesis with a DSL account in 1983, while I worked for the CA Legislature. It?s not improved one whit since its stuttering introduction back then.
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> Here?s to a better 2020!
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>  Bob
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> Today's Topics:
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>  1. Re: FCC: Improving and Increasing Broadband Deployment on
>     Tribal Lands (Owen Densmore)
>  2. Re: FCC: Improving and Increasing Broadband Deployment on
>     Tribal Lands (Richard Lowenberg)
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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:58:21 -0700
> From: Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net<mailto:owen at backspaces.net>>
> To: Richard Lowenberg <rl at 1st-mile.org<mailto:rl at 1st-mile.org>>
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> Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] FCC: Improving and Increasing Broadband
> Deployment on Tribal Lands
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> From: Richard Lowenberg <rl at 1st-mile.org<mailto:rl at 1st-mile.org>>
> To: Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net<mailto:owen at backspaces.net>>
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> Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] FCC: Improving and Increasing Broadband
> Deployment on Tribal Lands
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> Owen,
> Good to hear from you.
> I'll be brief in my responses to fairly complex matters you ask about.
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> On 2019-12-18 09:58, Owen Densmore wrote:
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> Thanks for the report. Brought up two questions:
> 
> 1 - Casinos: Don't they use broadband, thus are a point of access for
> the rest of the tribal lands? I realize they are typically on the
> boundaries, to be close to customers, but still could be useful.
> I'm not privy to details but assume that many, of not most tribal
> casinos
> have high bandwidth fiber connections (for their networked gaming
> machines)
> and specific 'commercial' contracts with service providers.
> 
> These contracts are usually very restrictive to casino services, and are
> therefore not a means of 'public' provision for their very underserved
> communities.
> 
> Unfortunately, equitable tribal broadband development is economically
> difficult, politically contentious and only one a small part of larger
> eco-social relationship issues and world-views.
> 
> 
> 
> 2 - Are tribal lands planning to use Elon Musk's StarLink?
> 
> https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellite-internet-service-2020.html<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.space.com%2Fspacex-starlink-satellite-internet-service-2020.html&data=01%7C01%7Cjbadal%40sacredwindnm.com%7C5c21b96272c047393f0c08d787c33029%7C1458a946b06346cbbe2752dbe35fba15%7C0&sdata=KpYnygoNL4VS2kWeP9pnjkUlkOdo%2Bv7aefMtl92djBs%3D&reserved=0>
> Possibly.  But, we are about to experience a number of satellite
> broadband
> provision services in the coming years, including Dish, which is a
> partner
> in the proposed Sprint/T-Mobile merger.  There are current plans and
> approvals
> for launch of at least 20,000-40,000 sats. (Environmental Impact Reports
> not
> required).   The emergence of new convergent service partnerships,
> offerings,
> failures and costs for a proposed society of "IDIoTS" (Intelligent
> Devices
> on the Internet of Things) is worrisome.
> 
> Comments by others are appreciated.
> 
> All seasonable best,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
>  -- Owen
> 
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 12:54 PM Richard Lowenberg <rl at 1st-mile.org<mailto:rl at 1st-mile.org>>
> wrote:
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> 
> A recent report from the FCC's Native Nations Communications
> Task Force.
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