[1st-mile-nm] Verizon | FiOS Internet Packages and Prices

[peter]

I totally agree thats its way dangerous for the incumbent monopolists of 
telco and cable being the primary owners of the high speed last part of 
the connection as they will surely hold the traffic to ransom.

It not a question of if but when

Part of the service that they will be offering to us in Florida is to 
eventually disconnect all the coper ( yes you are correct a lock in move 
and many of the new development we saw in Florida are being built sans 
copper as a digital home )  ) but that still leaves the cable pipe. One 
thing we did notice is that all the fiber runs are buried as opposed to 
the coper  connects that are on poles. A great deal of this is being 
driven by retiree communities and there management who consider the 
above ground mess unsightly and pointed at the underground cable as a 
better way that forced the telcos hand with the cable company driving to 
compete with there business

My only reason for posting is to show that at last a very large telco 
company is admitting by doing that the end game is and will be FIBER 
period and DSL or anything over coper is history.  they are also 
admitting that upstream is also as important as downstream and thats a 
first. Now if they will only admit the mgb compared to MGB then we will 
be further along

In the power industry its been admitted even in washington that power 
companies cannot own the transmission ( to prevent monopolistic  poor 
service) lines but that level of thinking has not gotten into our 
connectivity arena.

Even in the open access world lets admit it our business model of good 
independent ISPs are totally out gunned in DC where the rules are being 
made and i hope Google will come to the rescue on this but I will not 
hold my breath

No comments on what the Qwest bandits are doing with this state its 
beyond robbery ( Qwests open access is only open depending on what you 
pay them and if they like you, independent ISPs are totally locked out ) 
but they also have to be looking at what happens when the cable 
companies move to the next speed level and that to will be fiber. That 
is also why Comcast is desperately trying to sell their entire 
infrastructure in NM. the big problem with Qwest is the huge power they 
wield in Santa Fe at the legislature ( Look what happened to Ed Lopez 
the GSA cabinet secretary ( a real great guy )  when he went against 
Qwest just trying to get a better service level, one game of golf with 
Bills top people and he was history

Now if only Deutsch Tel would buy the Comcast piece ( just like they 
went after US west )  we would see a real game in town

This type of fiber to everything will herald in the whole new gambit of 
power over Ethernet and multiple options for SCADA but that is a whole 
nother story

( : ( : pete

Peter Baston

*IDEAS*

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Gary Gomes wrote:
> I certainly understand Verizon's intent, but there are a few problems with
> the Qwest "open access" model:
>
> 1) The price for the layer 2 Qwest DSL connection (i.e. without ISP) is
> virtually identical to their bundled (DSL+ISP)price - meaning one can only
> select an alternate ISP by paying a significant premium.
>
> 2) The price for the layer 2 DSL connectivity and the capacity of that
> service is set by the monopolist - "trust me, you'll love it".
>
> 3) The 896 K limit on the uplink precludes many of the services that "beg"
> for competitive service provision.
>
> There are really only two choices, accept the high prices and service
> limitations of he duopoly providers (ILEC and Cable) or implement a truly
> open access FTTH network.
>
>
> Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 1st-mile-nm-bounces at mailman.dcn.org
> [mailto:1st-mile-nm-bounces at mailman.dcn.org] On Behalf Of John Osmon
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:29 PM
> To: 1st-Mile-NM
> Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] Verizon | FiOS Internet Packages and Prices
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:12:27PM -0600, peter wrote:
>   
> http://www22.verizon.com/content/consumerfios/packages+and+prices/packages+a
> nd+prices.htm
>   
>> Just got this nice little offer for fiber to the home in the mail for 
>> our place in Sarasota
>>
>> I talked to the techs in Florida and they say that 100mgps is coming 
>> real soon
>>
>> Yup we can but dream in Nuevo Mexico
>>     
>
> Be careful what you ask for -- you may get it.
>
> This isn't about "serving the consumer," as much as it's about lock-in.
>
> Let's look at Qwest DSL model -- the fairest I've seen among the RBOCs.
>
> The DSL customer can buy a DSL (layer 2 connection) from Qwest, and be
> connected to one of several different (layer 3) ISPs.  When a single
> layer 2 connection can be used to get to several layer 3 ISPs, there is
> little need legislated network neutrality.  As long as the wire is
> neutral, I can find an ISP that will treat my packets the way I want...
>
> However, Qwest's FTTN (fiber to the node) inititive is starting up.  Qwest
> is extending their metro-ethernet to a number of remote terminals (RTs).
> They can put DLAMs in the RTs, and push up to 20M/896k to neghborhoods!
> They'll also be able to do 40M/40M with SHDSL equipment, and any number 
> of new things as new equipment becomes available.  Cool stuf.
>
> But they're using this upgrade to lock out the ISPs.  If you want the
> faster service, you *must* use Qwest as the ISP.  That sound you 
> just heard was the death knell of an important product in the
> independent ISP's product line.
>
> The word on the street about Verizon's FIOS indicates that when the
> fiber is brought to your house, they disable the copper plant.  Since
> they don't have to share the fiber, they've just locked your house into
> Verizon service.
>
> These upgrades, are a thinly veiled attempt to lock consumers into the
> ILECs service -- but disguised as an "upgrade."  Personaly, I'm not
> really willing to give up diversity of ISPs for a few extra Mbps...
>
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